08-01-2011 07:57 AM
Hello all,
I am relatively new to the forums. I am looking for some help with picking out wireless routers. There are a dizzying new array in the market, and I have done some research.
I have Comcast; might switch to Verizon FIOS. I get 20Mbps with Comcast now. They give me the modem.
Question 1: modem + router or integrated?
First surprise: there are very few MODEM boxes out there anymore, it seems. Many are now MODEMS + routers. Motorola had one for $149; others for more. They call them GATEWAYS. any advice on whether to stick with old modem + router or get an integrated one?
I can't even tell if my current Modem is a gigabit ethernet or not. How can I tell?
Question 2: wireless routers.
I have an old Belkin one that has worked fine for 5 years. It is outdated and I am sure not utilizing the bandwidth as efficiently. It has not mattered too much so far since there is usually only one computer in use at a time.
Here are the options and questions:
1. Airport Extreme Base Station: seems attractive and easy to set up. So they say! I have only Macs at home so that is good. Someone said that Comcast is NOT compatible with Airport Express Base Station, but is with Airport Express (the small one), and the Time Capsule (which is far more expensive, and is both base station + wireless hard drive). I am not a fan of integrated stuff--cos one goes all goes! I would rather have a separate hard drive that I use as back up.
Does anyone know anything about this?
2. I would assume Base Station is better--since it has 3 ports--to hook up other things and is dual band. So that is my question: do I need dual band router? What is it? do we have current speeds that make it possible to use the dual band or is it just a selling gimmick?
3. If I get a HD TV that has wireless capability, what kind of router will I need then? I assume that will take up more bandwidth if I need to do, say Netflix streaming.
Thanks
shiva
08-01-2011 01:37 PM
Welcome to the forums, Shiva81.
Question 1: I would definitely recommend a separate cable modem and router, NOT a gateway device. Invariably, these devices are compromised in terms of features and you will never get your money's worth out of them. Another thing is since they are a single device, Comcast has complete control of the firmware and it can only be updated by them and they are never timely about these things, or allow you to directly request an update. If the device breaks, you have to buy another device, which is usually more expensive than an individual cable modem or router would be to replace. I disagree with your assertion that there are more gateways then modems available, it seems to me to be just the opposite. I recommend the Motorola SB6120 as a good DOCSIS 3 modem (I own one, works like a champ). Do stay away from DOCSIS 2 modems, they are the last generation and while cheaper now they are also not capable of the new very fast speeds that becoming more and more common.
Since we don't know what modem you are using, we can't say if that model has gigabit ethernet or not. The manual for your model should say, if you don't have it, look it up online. Or simply connect it to a gigabit ethernet adapter with a good cat5e or cat6 cable and look at the adapter's port lights or settings to see if it connects at gigabit speed. The SB6120 mentioned above does have gigabit ethernet.
Question 2.1: I have an Apple Time Capsule 1TB, and while I generally don't like integrated devices much, this seemed like a neat piece of hardware and provided very nice Time Machine backup for my MacBook Pro's, I decided to try it. I have been a very happy camper with it, and yes, it's just an Airport Extreme Base Station with an internal hard drive. Whoever told you they don't work with Comcast was completely clueless, they (all 3) work just fine, as do the vast majority of routers. An AEBS with an external drive attached to the network or router will work just fine.
Question 2.2: Dual band means the router supports 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz wireless bands, which is a good thing if you are trying to cope with wireless interference, it gives you more options, as the 5Ghz band is less crowded. Do you need it? That depends on your individual needs, but it sure can't hurt. Most of your better wireless N routers are dual-band so it's pretty much a standard feature these days on better quality wireless routers. Not a gimmick, highly recommended.
Question 2.3: If you are going to stream video such as Netflix or something similar and want to do it wireless, don't skimp on your wireless router. Get a decent model designed for media throughput or high performance. I have no issues with streaming Netflix on my AppleTV or PS3 using my Time Capsule, so the AEBS should be just fine. If the HDTV has wireless, then make sure it has wireless-N as opposed to wireless-G (previous generation and slower).
Hope this helps.
08-01-2011 09:50 PM
Hello Baric,
This was a great response; thank you.
1. The modem I currently have is the one supplied by Comcast. I am not sure what you mean by a gigabit ethernet adapter? I bought a new Cat5e
cable cos the old cable was not working. How do I check if the cable I have is a gigabit ethernet adapter? It looks to me like the usual RJ45 --it can plug into the computer if needed. Sorry for being so daft...
2. Ok: I shall do separate Modem and Router as you suggest. I prefer them seperate anyway. My local Best Buy did not seem to have too many modems at all.
3. I saw a DOCSIS3 modem made by Motorola; and there was another one by Zoom. I read reviews that the Motorola does not work --some trouble configuring its MAC address? But since you are also on Comcast, I am assuming that is NOT a problem!
4. Routers: OK. Let me clarify my question: someone said that it is the Airport Extreme Base Station that is NOT compatible. The Airport Express (the small handy one) and the Time Capsule are BOTH compatible, but not the airport extreme. So glad to know it does work.
5. What about a LINKSYS wireless router? If you say it works, then I am tempted to get the Airport Extreme Base station and then just a separate hard drive as a back up. Somehow, I am not a fan of wireless backups.
6. Thank you for the tip about TV. So while I am at it, let me ask you this. I am looking at HD TV with WIFI. does this mean that I will still need an additional gadget of some sort (like Apple TV) to stream Netflix? Or can I do it via the TV itself? I saw a SONY TV that has Google TV attached to it--and it can do internet and stream stuff; and acts as a cable TV. ?
Thanks so much for your clear response; much appreciated.
08-02-2011 10:14 AM
Shiva81 wrote:Hello Baric,
This was a great response; thank you.
.....
4. Routers: OK. Let me clarify my question: someone said that it is the Airport Extreme Base Station that is NOT compatible. The Airport Express (the small handy one) and the Time Capsule are BOTH compatible, but not the airport extreme. So glad to know it does work.
5. What about a LINKSYS wireless router? If you say it works, then I am tempted to get the Airport Extreme Base station and then just a separate hard drive as a back up. Somehow, I am not a fan of wireless backups.
6. Thank you for the tip about TV. So while I am at it, let me ask you this. I am looking at HD TV with WIFI. does this mean that I will still need an additional gadget of some sort (like Apple TV) to stream Netflix? Or can I do it via the TV itself? I saw a SONY TV that has Google TV attached to it--and it can do internet and stream stuff; and acts as a cable TV. ?
Thanks so much for your clear response; much appreciated.
I will confirm what Baric said.
I have an Airport Extreme Base station connected to a Comcast modem (NO telephone service) with a USB hard drive partitioned and connected to the AEBS used as a Time Machine for wireless backup of two home computers. It works perfectly. I also suggest ignoring any advice from Best Buy (at least in my area) as they are sales people and not computer experts.
If you are looking at a tv with wi-fi, I recommend either a warranty on performance as some systems may not work or consider buying a Macintosh with an HDMI connection (new Mac Mini or maybe 2011 Xmas Mac Book Pro) or ?
sam
08-04-2011 03:31 PM
Thank you so much for all the answers.
I think I will go with the AEBS.
As I was reading more on modems, I am discovering there are different generations: DOCSIS 1, 2 and now 3. I rent a modem from Comcast; I have no idea which generation it is, and I have not receieved a satisfactory answer from anyone in comcast. Is there a way to find out? It is at least 4 years old, so I am tempted to say it is 1.
Should I get a DOCSIS 3 even though I am subscribed only to Blast (20Mbps download)?
2. For TV: ok--will check. And yes: I have been looking at MacMini. I thought that with a TV that has wi-fi capability, I could stream Netflix and so on? Is that not correct?
Do I still need something else (like Apple TV) to do that?
thanks so much
08-04-2011 03:37 PM - edited 08-04-2011 03:38 PM
They actually do recommened that a D3 capable modem is used for the Blast speed tier. Since you renting it from them you could request a swap.
08-04-2011 04:56 PM
For What its Worth, My Dell Laptop has HDMI output ad so does my Motorola Xoom.![]()
08-04-2011 05:28 PM
Shiva81 wrote:Thank you so much for all the answers.
I think I will go with the AEBS.
....
2. For TV: ok--will check. And yes: I have been looking at MacMini. I thought that with a TV that has wi-fi capability, I could stream Netflix and so on? Is that not correct?
Do I still need something else (like Apple TV) to do that?
thanks so much
The new MacBook Air uses an Intel graphics chip that is limited in capability. The low end new mini uses Intel HD Graphics 3000 processor (same as the MacBook Air) with 288MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory and the high end uses AMD Radeon HD 6630M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR5 memory.
Only the latter has built-in decoders instead of requiring software to work:
The new UVD3 video decoder supports the decoding of MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, Flash and now also Multi-View Codec (MVC) and MPEG-4 part 2 (DivX, xVid) HD videos on the graphics card.
Furthermore, the HD 6600M series integrates a HD audio controller to transmit HD Audio (TrueHD or DTS Master Audio) over HDMI and DisplayPort (e.g. für Blu-Ray videos).
Your wi-fi built into a tv may also have some capability; however, it may or may not decide that a signal is legal. I know nothing about Dell or other PC hardware, but I would guess that they also use the software, Intel solution which is limited in scope.
sam
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