06-11-2011 01:39 AM - edited 06-11-2011 01:41 AM
"I never used Picture in Picture but if they brought back the timer function then the guide would be perfect"
Since you wrote previously you didn't have dvr service, you wouldn't know about various features that would only pertain to that. So maybe you think the timer function would make it perfect. My response to that... hardly, far from it.
06-11-2011 09:22 AM
rog286713 - Can you please explain what you meant when you said "the PnP you can emulate." My main issue with this "upgrade" is that I lost the PIP functionality, which I used all the time. Thanks.
06-11-2011 07:22 PM
06-11-2011 07:57 PM
liliwings wrote:I have this new DVR software. One of the things I do not know how to do is the following. I would appreciate it if someone could etll me how to do it.I want to do a weekly, recording of the same show. The new show is at 9pm. The repeat is at midnight. I want to do the weekly recording of the midnight one, which is a repeat of the 9pm show. that way I can leave the 9pm slot open for something else, if it comes along. I do not know how to do this. Because its not "new" at midnight. And I do not want to opt to record all of the shows. ( which would include the 9pm and the midnight one). Can you please tell me how i can configure things so I can record a show at midnight. I do not see that option available as a choice.I hope I have explained this well enough. Thank you
I found somewhat of an answer on the comcast web site that may help
http://blog.comcast.com/2010/05/new-guide-for-scie
You should be able to manage your series priorities to catch the Top Chef series (or any show) in its off-hours. If multiple series are scheduled at the same time, you can change the priority in which you want programs to be recorded. From the DVR Menu select Manage My DVR, and then Series Priority to modify. Page 9 on the link below has the steps for that.
http://por-chr.cimcontent.net/ui/pdf/meetyourguide
Another option would be to set up a recurring manual recording. Press the My DVR button on your Comcast remote control, select Set a Recording, then Set a Manual recording, enter in your start and end times and start date. Choose the channel and then view recording settings - the settings can be modified to record once, every day, once a week, or weekdays.
Additional links for DVR Help for the guide that you currently have can be found below:
DVR Brochure (covers the basics)
http://por-img.cimcontent.net/ui/pdf/meetyourguide
DVR User Guide (16 pages with much more detail)
http://por-img.cimcontent.net/ui/pdf/meetyourguide
06-11-2011 08:37 PM
Thank you. I appreciate youre taking the time to write all that you did. I suppose I am not longed to have a DVR anymore. All I know how to do on this new one is to record new shows. or new and old shows. confuguring is now just too complex for me to figure out on the new dvds. I guess I am just too old to have a comcast DVR, lol. They are more for the younger people now. thanks for the info.
06-13-2011 08:10 PM
Yea, the new guide isn't as good as the old one but I guess we just have to live with it. I do have a couple of questions. I have the Cisco RNG200.
If I am currently recording something and I power off the DVR I will get a message telling me if I power off the DVR the recording will stop. This was not the case with the old guide. The DVR could be off/on and it will record no matter what. Now I have to keep my cable box powered ON all the time. When it is powered off no clock, no lights, nothing.
While I'm viewing my guide and want to jump to another date, how is this done? The old guide I would just hit the B(lue) button and scroll to the date I needed.
06-13-2011 08:43 PM
To go ahead a day use the RED "C(+)" button now. The Blue "B"(-) button goes back a day.
06-14-2011 10:09 AM
and yes you should leave the box on, but it will turn on to record a program and then turn off.
06-14-2011 01:07 PM - edited 06-14-2011 01:10 PM
Hey Comcast,
Let me tell you why we, your customers, are upset. Being a software developer, I can understand that this update was mandatory in order to bring all the customers to the same playing field however I can assure you, that's all I, and others, really understand. It was a bad and costly decision to upgrade the remaining customers to software that is much more limited than what we already had with the SARA software. In otherwords, you did not upgrade us, you downgraded us.
Why was this guide, similar to what Motorola subscribers were using long before Cisco/SA customers, not polished, refined, & tested?! Why, do the 20% of subscribers that have been downgraded to this guide have to use such limited software and discover the many flaws of this old guide? I've been using a SA 8300HD w/ SARA for 4 years meaning Comcast has had years to perfect the software. From the brief searches I have done regarding this downgrade, I have read the following words to describe this downgrade:
Hate, regret, dislike, rediculous, stupid, horrible, atari-like, incomplete
That is just a few. Why does Comcast continue to ignore their customers regarding this guide? Do you understand that some of your customers pay upwards of $200.00 a month, which boils down to being $2400 a year? With 100 customers paying close to those rates, that's $240,000. Comcast should use that money and hire better programmers/developers to design a guide that has better UI, functionality and STOP dropping the ball when it comes to the guide software. We deserve better from Comcast!
Here are juse some of the issues with this old guide that has me thinking about switching:
PIP: Why would Comcast make a decision to remove PIP instead of ADDING it? PIP was something that was used by many customers, and instead of Comcast PAYING to ADD it to the Motorola boxes, Comcast decides to remove it. Now don't tell me the Motorola DVR boxes can't support it, they have dual tuners and it's all software based at that point. Removing PIP from the Cisco/SA boxes prevents anyone that enjoys using PIP from being able to use a similar feature on their TVs because now that Comcast requires DTAs to decrypt their signal, you can't just use the TV's built-in PIP. So thanks Comcast for forcing us into something so limited. And no, the Pause/Swap/Play work-around is not a substitute. It's rediculous that Comcast would even suggest it is. Even the remotes being handed out with the DVRs have a PIP button dedicated to it's use. Add this feature back in.
Guide experience: It's a joke. Here's my list as to why:
- Manual Recording settings not editable: Once the recording is created it's not possible to edit the recording. Only the Start/End times are editable.
- Deleting Series Recordings: Can only be deleted from the Priority Screen
- Viewinf of Schedule Recording: Instead of a list, you have to advance to each day to see what is scheduled to record for that day.
- Record a recurring tv program: To do this, you need to schedule a Manual Recording instead of having the recording settings available when selecting the program from the guide. Otherwise, you need to set up a Series recording
- Remote directional buttons: Instead of acting like DVR controls (Remote has Dedicated buttons for this) they should trigger the mini guide to display
- The HD-Setup Wizard: DOES NOT WORK. Using the wizard (Press HDZoom on remote while power is off) by choosing the advanced menu, and going through the choices, the box because of the software, ends up being stuck on 480i, which is the last format tested in the wizard. Only way to go back to 1080i is to use the Wizard, and choose Basic, which forces all programs to 1080i with a 480p override. How come it has not been fixed? You have had years! Why would this issue still exist?
Bottom line, this guide is unfinished. Features that are missing should have prevented this guide's rollout. Telling us that there are several phases planned and only being on Phase 1. How long did Phase 1 take? How long until Phase 2, Phase 3, etc. You cannot tell me, a 16x9 guide interface could not have been added in a reasonable amount of time but instead needs to be added in a Phase. You cannot tell me that features like 'This day, This time slot' could not have been added instead of making it another 'Phase.' How long will we have to wait and use such a limited guide before we can see updates? Cisco/SA customers were the last to get the downgraded guide. Will we be the last again to get the 'updates'?
Comcast, answer some of these questions. We are watching and waiting for you to do so.
06-14-2011 03:07 PM
Agilis wrote:
Guide experience: It's a joke. Here's my list as to why:
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- Deleting Series Recordings: Can only be deleted from the Priority Screen
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Series recordings can be deleted from a few places in the guide.
You can click on the series recording in the guide grid or from your scheduled recordings list, arrow over to the red dot (it says set or cancel a recording), select that and then select Don't record (or to remove the entire series from being recorded, select Modify Recording settings then "don't record this series".
06-14-2011 03:09 PM
Agilis wrote:
- Remote directional buttons: Instead of acting like DVR controls (Remote has Dedicated buttons for this) they should trigger the mini guide to display
i think if you press OK/select first, that wil bring up the mini guide. then the 4 arrows will work.
06-14-2011 09:37 PM - edited 06-14-2011 09:38 PM
I read the meet your Guide Faqs. My dvd recorder will no longer record either from the DVR following the FAQ instructions ot from live TV - I get a copy protection error message.
06-14-2011 10:03 PM
Agilis wrote:Hey Comcast,
Let me tell you why we, your customers, are upset. Being a software developer, I can understand that this update was mandatory in order to bring all the customers to the same playing field however I can assure you, that's all I, and others, really understand. It was a bad and costly decision to upgrade the remaining customers to software that is much more limited than what we already had with the SARA software. In otherwords, you did not upgrade us, you downgraded us.
Why was this guide, similar to what Motorola subscribers were using long before Cisco/SA customers, not polished, refined, & tested?! Why, do the 20% of subscribers that have been downgraded to this guide have to use such limited software and discover the many flaws of this old guide? I've been using a SA 8300HD w/ SARA for 4 years meaning Comcast has had years to perfect the software. From the brief searches I have done regarding this downgrade, I have read the following words to describe this downgrade:
<snip>
Now don't tell me the Motorola DVR boxes can't support it, they have dual tuners and it's all software based at that point.
I'm not at all sure that the Motorola boxes do have the full capabilities of the SA8300. The SA8300 not only has dual tuners, it obviously has dual independent outputs. Thus the ability to play through the component outputs at the same time as playing via the HDMI outputs PLUS the ability to record from the two tuners. IOW, the various functions in the SA8300 are probably more independant than that offered by Motorola. That implies considerable more processing power in the SA line. I can't be sure of any of this because I lack the full specifications for either box.
OTOH, the Rovi interface is poorly designed, a sad example of HMI lacking consistency. Maybe it's just cheaper. It doesn't matter what we pay. A company as large as Comcast often only worries about their profit figure.
06-15-2011 10:48 AM
I've been using the new guide for about a week now. For the most part I've gotten used to, or am able to live with, the differences. I don't like them.. in fact there is very little I like about the new guide. but whatever. Complaining here, or on the blog isn't going to achieve anything.
The one gripe I still have is that there is no way to show all scheduled recordings. When the firmware was updated some, but not all of my recordings were carried over. Some, but not all of those actually work as intended. I've had to go in and delete and reschedule most of the series recordings in order to get them back. The easiest way to do this was through the "Series Priority" menu. I think that shows the complete list of all series recordings though I can't be sure. I'm still not sure how the new guide will handle shows that were on hiatus when they come back on the air.. chances are i'll have to reschedule them on a case-by-case basis.
I say this not because I expect resolution but to advise the rest of you SA users to verify your recordings.
06-15-2011 11:41 AM
You are correct, the series priority shows you everything you have set to record. To see what is set by day go to dvr scheduled recordings and right click through the days to see what is going to record on a particular day. I have not had a problem with shows picking up after hiatus, but i am not a SA box user. My recommendation is to delete the series and recreate them just to be sure. This does seem to work based on other user feedback on the forum.
06-15-2011 12:16 PM
I've been on the new system for a couple of weeks now but still get tripped up by old habits like hitting the arrow keys to check adjacent shows without hitting select first or clicking on the guide or DVR button to exit instead of Exit.
All my old series recordings appear to transfer over, but I had to redo some of them to get the old SA recorded shows to delete. One of the "on hiatus" series I have resumes in two weeks so I will leave it and see if it resumes.
I've been able adjust to most of the limitations of the new system, and found a few things I like better. On Demand is generally improved and I like the slider indicating where you are in the show. While the DVR recording is overall a step back, one thing I do like is it retains your position in show where you last viewed. The SA system only did this for the last show you watched.
The one annoyance I have yet to find a satisfactory work-around is the cable box needing to be on when recording. Since my TV works off the switched outlet, it comes on every time a recording is in progress. Yes, I know I can just turn the TV off and on, but that problematic as well. My next step is to revisit the remote programming guide to see if I can leave it in Cable mode and have it just turn the TV off and on.
06-16-2011 03:09 PM
What is the latest version of the guide for the SA/Cisco boxes? Right now I am on the S25 version, is that the latest?
06-16-2011 03:32 PM
S25 is it, that is what was rolled out and the only I-Guide for SA for now.
06-17-2011 10:41 AM
Anyone else noticing inconsistency in the Series Recordings?
I have a Series recording set up for "New and repeats", which I thought would cover all shows I hadn't already recorded. I assumed this was based on the 'new/repeat' and title tokens in the episode guide. I've seen several instances where epsiodes that shoudl have been recorded weren't, and ones that should not have, were. Now, a lot of this is based on episodes that were recorded prior to the guide update so perhaps that has something to do with it?
Also, I have a Series set up as "new only" that I've seen record an episode that is clearly marked as 'repeat' in the info.
Finally, Folders don't seem to be working even though enabled in the setup. Does this have something to do with pre-update recordings?
06-17-2011 10:45 AM
Has anyone had any success using a DVD recorder since the downgrade?
06-17-2011 11:17 AM
some scientific atlanta people have had success if you unplug your box and plug it back in. Delete all your previous series recordings and recreate them. Give that a shot.
06-18-2011 03:15 PM
voyager9 wrote:
Also, I have a Series set up as "new only" that I've seen record an episode that is clearly marked as 'repeat' in the info.
Sadly, the new repeat settings appear arbitary and contrary. Generally the first instance will be recorded as desired. Following instances may or may not be recorded. It seems to depend on the channels. I found with the limited space on the SA-8300HD my choice was to only keep one copy which sometime proved to be less than useful in saving a episode. So I added a WD My Book external drive which allows me to store more and then delete unwanted copies.
06-19-2011 01:52 AM
Anyone have ANY idea how to enable the DIGITAL (optical) Dolby sound on a 3250HD box with this "new & [not] so improved software"?
I have a AV amp that was working with this BEFORE the update but I had to revert to just using the cable box ( long story) direct to my HDTV before the upgrade??. Now that I'm trying to use the AV system again the sound is gone. There seems to be NO menu item to specify the audio format / output like there used to be.
Comcast/Xfinity- HELP!!!!
06-19-2011 12:02 PM
06-19-2011 11:24 PM
Just lost 20 mins of a show I was recording tonight. Show started at 8:00, I came in a 8:20 and started watching the recording. Back back stopped at 8:20 even though the system showed it was still recording. STopped playback, restarted and fast forwarded to where I wanted to be, no joy, it would not play!
Had to go to live broadcast and watch show live from 8:40 onwards. Could not view the missing 8:20 -8:40 section no matter what I tryed even though the DVR shoulded the entire hour was recorded.
This is the third time this has happened to me, I am really disappointed in the Xfinity DVR. Before the "upgrade" I did this all the time with no problems.
06-20-2011 07:43 AM
hopmanmx, I haven't experienced a show cutting off like that though it reminds me of another annoyance:
If you are watching a show and decide to record it, the record starts when you press record--it doesn't include what you have already viewed and is still available.
Also, if you are watching a show while it is recording, it suddenly stops when the recording time ends and a message is displayed telling you the recording has ended. That may be OK if you are watching live, but if you are watching a little behind you lose you place. You need to go to the DVR listings start the program and fast forward it to where you left off. While you haven't lost anything, it is disruptive.
I find the cable box display while recording to be confusing. If you are watching a show while it is recording the display says "rec" rather than show the time (or channel) and the red record light is off. If I switch to another channel the red light comes on and the time is displayed.
06-20-2011 09:45 AM
if you press record when you are watching a show it "should" record the show from the beginning unless you changed the channel then it will only recored from where you did change the channel. Also point number two below is also not how its suppose to be, when the recording ends you should still be watching what your recording and where you are.
Now your last point is how its always been for me. One tuner shows REC in the window with a red dot and the other tuner shows the time, that's how I have always had that. The other two are problems with the software and I hope they are working on that.
06-20-2011 10:00 AM
Thanks, rog.
Yes it will be good if they fix those two problems. I verified that the first one doesn't work even if you back up to the beginning of the program before pressing record. It still starts recording at the live time.
Now I just pressed the record button and didn't select record from the info screen. While I wouldn't expect a difference, I will try that later today.
06-20-2011 03:02 PM
hopmanmx wrote:
Just lost 20 mins of a show I was recording tonight. Show started at 8:00, I came in a 8:20 and started watching the recording. Back back stopped at 8:20 even though the system showed it was still recording. STopped playback, restarted and fast forwarded to where I wanted to be, no joy, it would not play!
Had to go to live broadcast and watch show live from 8:40 onwards. Could not view the missing 8:20 -8:40 section no matter what I tryed even though the DVR shoulded the entire hour was recorded.
This is the third time this has happened to me, I am really disappointed in the Xfinity DVR. Before the "upgrade" I did this all the time with no problems.
This is an issue with the Revo software and is seen also with Motorola boxes. Apparently this is a bug where the recording is interrupted. I have had programs that indicated they were recorded, start off showing the end time is 1 hr, started playing and somewhere into the program the selector jumps to the end and the end now shows 17 min or some other number. I can't find the reference in the Comcast Blog <http://blog.comcast.com/2010/05/new-guide-for-scie
I can't find all of the conditions that lead to a lost recording where only a partial show got recorded. I can't recall this ever happening with the SARA software.
06-20-2011 03:10 PM
I can say I have never had this problem with my motorola boxes
06-20-2011 03:34 PM
rog286713 wrote:if you press record when you are watching a show it "should" record the show from the beginning unless you changed the channel then it will only recored from where you did change the channel. Also point number two below is also not how its suppose to be, when the recording ends you should still be watching what your recording and where you are.
Now your last point is how its always been for me. One tuner shows REC in the window with a red dot and the other tuner shows the time, that's how I have always had that. The other two are problems with the software and I hope they are working on that.
This works if your real time buffer is working correctly. I find the buffer is inconsistent. Sometimes it works as advertised, sometimes not. I only wish I could figure out under what conditions it doesn't work. When it's working, if you press record, all of the contents of the buffer will get recorded and you can change channels. Loss of the buffer is discussed in <http://forums.comcast.com/t5/TV-Service-and-Equipm
06-20-2011 03:54 PM
if you read that thread you can see people complaining about this problem back to November.
06-20-2011 10:04 PM
I sent a complaint to Germano and customer service about all the problems with this downgrade. Their responses were basically just canned fluff.
06-21-2011 08:33 AM
only 20% of comcasts users are in the sa Cisco market. I guess the decision was made knowing that this would happen that it was worth it. The other 801% of us never had the features you guys did. I am two guide versions ahead of you and I don't have them still. The new software is about bringing everyone to the same software to move forward. Is is good for you , no. But I am a customer like you.
06-21-2011 09:25 AM - edited 06-21-2011 09:25 AM
rog,
It's good to know we expect some improvements down the road. It's too bad Comcast decided to present this change to us in 1984 fashion by telling us that less is more. That doesn't help with their credibility as far as I'm concerned.
But then for people without a DVR the systems are equivalent in functionality, and the On Demand is actually better in a number of ways. Will TIVO work on Comcast?
06-21-2011 09:54 AM
To all the Motorola box holders - can you copy your DVR recordings to a DVD burner or VCR? Are any programs restricted?
06-21-2011 11:23 AM
I also dislike the new GUI!! I hate how the arrow buttons around the OK button now control the live playback, that's what the rewind and fast forward buttons should be for! Since the arrows do that now I can no longer scan through the guide on the bottom with the arrow keys so I could see what else is on TV while still watching the current channel.
06-21-2011 11:43 AM
Jason,
The way around that is to first press the Select button to get the mini-guide at the bottom of the screen. Now you can use the arrow keys to navigate.
One of the first things I did was to go into Setup and change the guide settings to be single rather than double line height. That helps a bit with the screen real-estate.
But even after three weeks with this system I still find myself automatically hitting the arrow keys to look at other channels. Argh!
06-21-2011 12:48 PM
Yeah I figured that out too, but still like the old way. Again why mess with the arrow keys like that when the video controls are right above that do the same exact thing.
06-21-2011 12:56 PM
TJ you are a good reference for people who got the new guide and are SA or Cisco to tell them how to get things to work.
06-21-2011 09:35 PM
I like that 1984 reference "less is more". Most won't know the extent of the downgrade if they didn't have a dvr. Really pathetic.
06-22-2011 01:04 PM
Last week in the middle of the night our programming guide and TV functions completely changed. is there anyway we may go back to what we had???? This new system is completely unusable. Add to the fact that we pay over $100.00 a month for TV alone and now have to watch advertising at the bottom of the guide screen. Totaly unacceptable this entire new system.
Please advise if we may change boxes, and / or just go back to what we had?
Thanks.
06-22-2011 01:24 PM
like most things in life there is no going back. You were "upgraded" with the "new" guide. The ad is annoying it annoyed me when i first got it now I dont even see it. changing boxes wont help you either this is the guide going forward in your area. There will be updates going forward. The system is not unusable its just different and change is hard for some people. The best we can do here on a customer to customer support forum is answer your questions you might have on how to successfully use the guide you have now.
Here is some info that might be useful navigating the new menu.
06-22-2011 01:50 PM
Thank you for repsonse. Although the word "upgraded" is questionable. Seems as if we went backwards about 15 years !
We are now investigating pricing Verizon Fios as it is available in our area.
06-22-2011 02:33 PM
It doesn't work to record a series of new episodes, it records every showing of the episode even if you select only NEW episodes. I called and was told this is a bug that needs fixed, but they didn't fix it. Now with the new service you can't record a series without getting every recording of it shown! Your storage space is used up quickly and you can't go away for any time and expect your favorite show to be recorded. Has nayone elsecalled comcast about this problem? Why would they release a new service they trouted as better when it's not?
06-22-2011 02:43 PM
if you are from a Sa or cisco market what you had was better. The new guide is going to give more multimedia enhancements and the ability to get caller id on the tv and manage the dvr from the internet. The repeat problem has been around forever. Go to the top of page on the main service and equipment tab, you will see a dvr repeat stickie there, that was posted over 2 years ago for people to post when it happens to them.
06-22-2011 02:48 PM
This entire situation is really a shame ! it is downright awfull !
06-22-2011 03:23 PM
T
But then for people without a DVR the systems are equivalent in functionality, and the On Demand is actually better in a number of ways. Will TIVO work on Comcast?
Yes, Tivo works with Comcast. I'm investigating that now. You may have to give up ON Demand with Tivo, but 'they are working with Comcast on that capability'. Tivo seems to me to be about equal in costs, if you can get decent pricing on the CableCard. In my area, the card is fairly priced (~$8/month) and with Tivo at $12.50/month (service) it's competitive with the DVR at $16/month. Of course you must pay up front for Tivo. Right now Amazon is holding a sale on the Tivo Premier and on the Netgear MoCA cable ethernet adapter set. The Tivo at a slightly increased cost also allows you to get services from other providers (like Amazon, etc). Given the continued poor performance of the Comcast SA 8300 setup and 'someday' notion of a any-room rollout, the Tivo seems like a better deal.
Instead on On Demand I shall get my pay movies from Redbox or other on-line servicers.
Comcast will then be able to get my perfectly functioning 8300HD for reuse. I'll just keep the 1T WD My Book external drive. It will work with Tivo.
06-22-2011 03:26 PM
horwatj wrote:It doesn't work to record a series of new episodes, it records every showing of the episode even if you select only NEW episodes. I called and was told this is a bug that needs fixed, but they didn't fix it. Now with the new service you can't record a series without getting every recording of it shown! Your storage space is used up quickly and you can't go away for any time and expect your favorite show to be recorded. Has nayone elsecalled comcast about this problem? Why would they release a new service they trouted as better when it's not?
My solution to this issue was an external drive with my SA 8300HD. The WD My Book 1T drive worked perfectly (almost) apparently the real time buffer gets confused with the external drive. But I have finally given up and order a Tivo from Amazon which is giving a sale right now.
06-22-2011 03:51 PM
We just received the new program guide. I realize that it may take some getting used to and am trying to reserve judgment, but so far, I am most definitely not a fan. The new guide shows only four horizontal lines at a time on half the screen. Is there any way to change that? I have a 55" television, and each of those four lines looks about three inches high, and I can only see one hour without scrolling left or right. It just looks strange.
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